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Mostaque? God what a grifter. They all are. What amazes me is the ferver of the “useful idiots” all around.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrickcai/2023/07/13/stability-ai-cofounder-says-emad-mostaque-tricked-him-into-selling-stake-for-100/?sh=6ed363ae6c90

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrickcai/2023/06/04/stable-diffusion-emad-mostaque-stability-ai-exaggeration/?sh=5734883a75c5

“The whole AI field” HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - Imagine some poor souls think that these grifters and their LLM bullshit is “the whole AI field”

“some criminals” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - I’m not sure if “some criminals” are the GOP of Iowa or Mostaque who is “creme-de-la-creme” of todays “AI”.

Ah, thanks. Like with that engadget article though, what catches my eye is the "anti-american" comment. I am wondering to what extend the current 'AI crisis' is a too American (and satellites) issue that only questions the 'american way' of things. For example, I don't actually get how writers and actors (who are on strike in holywood) may be considered 'elitist creatives'. I mean, I might have some arbitrary answer to a question such as "do you consider there are elitist creatives?" but it would be of entirely different context. Is there somewhat of a social classes clash across the Atlanitc?

Going with your straw man logic, religion should be banned, because great amount of priests are pedophiles...oh wait...it actually makes sense :P

@rexbeng
I guess that “elitist creatives” could be what some unemployed internet warrior who lives with his parents at the age of 40 and occasionally works at 7-11 calls his neighbor who drives a better car, has fancier shoes, maybe prettier girlfriend, a neighbor who by pure chance happens to be a writer, or vfx artist or whatever. So this is his vengeance, he gloats how this “elitist creatives” will lose their jobs.

“Is there somewhat of a social classes clash across the Atlantic?”
Are you kidding man? Where have you been living for the past decade? Trumpism fooling the poorest white American proletariat into hatred and bigotry, proclaiming everyone with better education and larger income than them an ‘elitist’, a traitor, evil doer, Hollywood especially, all that managed to slip under your radar?

Ok, so it actually is an American thing because around these parts writers, graphicians and developers are ordinary people that live in the same places as other ordinary people.

Interesting. I was mostly thinking that (even Trumpism itself) was the result of the (I think also american inversions?) so much promoted influenser/opinion-leader/celebrity lifestyle and overexposure of wealth (or pretension of wealth) of the last 20-ish years?

The problem is there are too many different topics discussed here, all mangled together:
1) Popular AI products (ChatGPT, Github Copilot, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, etc...) built on top of copyright infringement.
2) LLMs used as propaganda machines.
3) Reliability of LLM products for more serious tasks,
4) LLM products and their psychological effects on users,
5) The potential effects of AI tech on society in the longer term.

Except "1", the rest has very little to do with the demoscene.

And I think everyone gets it, yes, gfx artists, writers and coders (as well!) are being robbed out of their intellectual property and it's worth fighting back.

But IMHO you fail to see another points of view, like people genuinely interested in using AI/ML legally in the demoscene context.

Also it makes very little sense to insult each other with some moral superiority complex.

I swear to God I will just say this and no more. I swear!
If you could somehow please manage not to answer directly, I’d be very very grateful.

In my opinion, when someone writes nonsense after nonsense, then when someone else acknowledges this and stops hoping or pretending it is not so - this act of acknowlegement / bafflement is not the sign of the second person’s “moral superiority complex”. But who really knows? Let me paraphrase: Opinions are like assholes. We all have them.

You should have listened to Kaneel already a page ago.

That's funny considering you are the one being widely inconsistent here.

You said on the last page that "I’m done talking to you."... "good bye, have a nice life,".

And few posts later, you not me, are replying to directly to my "the whole AI field" comment with big "HAHAHA", even though it was response to Gargaj's post, not yours. Very mature and eloquent response from your side BTW

You're right. You totally got me. I concede to your superior eloquence sir.

Some interesting views by artists of various fields. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2023/08/is-art-generated-by-artificial-intelligence-real-art/

rexbeng: I mean.. year right.. bunch of snobs making "expert opinions" about things they are absolutely clueless about. Fun read indeed.

...link of Sora from the OpenAI site directly (without the crappy nbc propaganda, that is).

Generative AI will mostly be put to mediocre use, just as the Internet gave birth to Tiktok, or television to debilitating programs, when both were promised as tools to raise human consciousness and education. This never really happened for the majority of the population. As for AI Gen / LLM, from the very first announcements, it was easy to sense that it all smacked of mediocrity, with self-proclaimed IAGen experts telling us how it was all going to boost our creativity, was going to allow us to offload non-value-added activities. Really? Copilot for M365 is utterly mediocre. I've been testing and using it for several months now, and it's absolutely ludicrously stupid, whether it's "writing an e-mail for me" or synthesizing text. In reality, most people aren't creative and think it's cool. Most people are looking for the shortest route to spending more time on Netflix.
BUT, truly creative people will find it interesting. Because, like any tool, it can help unblock a situation, simplify a task or fill a gap, a weakness. Just as creative people use the Internet for the sheer pleasure of knowledge. I discovered "Number One - Another One" last night and, frankly, I'm not worried about the creativity of demoscene, with or without AI Gen.... You are the creative bastion.

If it makes you happy making prods with AI in any way or form, do it. It's about the fun making the prods not about winning the special olympics.

half the fun... people who use AI are probably the same people who play shooters with the god mode cheat enabled :P

I use chat gpt when coding all the time. It's great for API understanding for instance. Or just to shave off the rust when you don't quite remember how to do operator overloading or reorganizing a bunch of cmake files that needs to be addressed or... method name suggestions or learning a new language or, or, or.

Please call me out on it if it makes you cooler and makes you have more fun.

I'm not gonna judge the level of AI in the demoscene. I might find it lame if they use generated gfx but it might just be a bit better than no graphics at all.

but but but thec, think of all the families of highly skilled artists who will have only bread and water to feed themselves while fat capitalist AI pigs munch on their caviar and kobe tenderloins!!!!11

what did I just read :D

no, it's not. API docs are great for that. Reading headers is great for that. ChatGPT isn't.

Why? Because it will sometimes lie to you and it will waste your time with unspecific wording most of the time.

I believe coders making use of AI are on their steady way to maintenance hell.

related effect.

well, for quick mundane things like 'hey, i am using bootstrap 5, what's the html for 3 images with a white label with drop-shadow on top aligned in 3 columns again without spacing between them?' it's great though and no need to browse through all the examples :P

In the time I just spent on reading your hypothetical prompt anyone well versed in bootstrap 5 would've just coded that already. Chat-GPT is a great tool but people tend to overestimate its understanding. Imho it's more of a search engine replacement, you get more specific answers and the ability to explore contextual information at the cost of reliability / credibility.

Those AI multimodal chats follow Silicon Valley / Steve Jobs philosophy of "selling dreams not products". It would be great to have a magic tool that fully understands you, provides fresh and accurate information, generates high quality images and videos perfectly fitting your prompt. It's advertised this way, also with all this rogue AGI-nonsense. But, in reality, it has severe limitations, which business-wise might be even better - anticipation, updates, plans, etc... The danger is there are business-owners/leaders who think the time is now, so they preemptively get rid of specialists, because they think "soon" AI will replace them.

LJ: yet becoming well versed in frameworks requires more time than reading my prompt though