Even playing Wii => still gamerlamer
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oh okkie how I wish to visit your collection!
break: you wanna play my Virtual Boy?
Respect!
Is that your boyfriend in the background? Whooo-hooo, Mister Hasselhoff!!
okkie: Congrats for your good taste! Do you know http://www.vr32.de btw?
okkie: Congrats for your good taste! Do you know http://www.vr32.de btw?
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break: you wanna play my Virtual Boy?
You must hate him to wish such eyestrain upon him :|
shift: I managed to play Warioland for 40 minutes before my eyes started bleeding!
I recall I even believed in the past that demosceners don't play games. :-)
it's not playing games.. it's just uh 'competitive analysis' yeah. :)
BOXING CHAMPION!!!
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I want to play with your Virtual Boy (or any other)... and I want a Real Girl.
The last game I played was Bubble Bobble at the local Greyhound station. This was late August 2006. All the same, I'm slightly curious about the Wii. But alas, I don't own the necessary accessory television needed to play the Wii.
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Since when did being a gamerlamer become accepted in the demoscene? I see everybody talking about playing games on his Wii etc. And the same people complained about gamers at demoparties just months ago.
Let me tell you a secret: Playing a game on a console or a PC is still the same!
Sorry Sir but I've always played games (Dungeon Master on Atari, Battle Squadron and Rainbow Island on Amiga), Alex Kidd on Sega Master System, Virtua Tennis on Dreamcast or MAME games on PC) and I fail to see what's wrong with that.
Call me a lamer then :)
Oh, and if that makes you feel even more eleet, I also happen to eat, to poop and to have sex with my girlfriend!!!! OHNOES!!!! What a fucked up world we live in!!!
as a sidenote: respect for that hofficially cool poster mr. okkie
You seriously didn't want to know, but here it is: That is not a poster. That is a life-size cardboard statue.
i know that everyone thinks that dandelion is a clueless bastard and deserves to have his penis chopped off (don't deny, guys, i can read your mindz...) but i can see his point. after all, didn't we "slay all those gamers!" in 2002 at mekka? weren't we all against uncreative people playing for hours the same thing?
i know a guy who used to be a demoscener - he was actually the one who showed me the first demo i ever watched - but he started to play too many games and never produced anything anymore. "i'm too busy", he always said. right...
thing is: we all like to have fun. or most of us. some people go to the movies, read books, take a walk in the park, attend concerts and exhibitions, visit their friends and family, or all the above. whatever. you do what you want to do, it's your life.
just like games and demos. at demo parties, i used to see lot of party coding, and also music / gfx making. it was even usual to find people working on something that wasn't to be released at that party - or even released at all. (i did that myself, after my track was finished, i enjoyed the party mood so much that i would make another track, just for fun.) nowadays, that becomes less frequent and instead there's a lot of people playing all sort of games.
so, if you have more fun playing games, then do it. and what better place to have fun than at a party with your friends?
and this brings me to this final question: when did playing games become more fun than making demos?
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now sole comes and says "and when did boozing yourself to death and namevote for your friends become more fun than making demos?" and she's totally right. i'm gonna stop getting wasted at demoparties. you have my word.
i know a guy who used to be a demoscener - he was actually the one who showed me the first demo i ever watched - but he started to play too many games and never produced anything anymore. "i'm too busy", he always said. right...
thing is: we all like to have fun. or most of us. some people go to the movies, read books, take a walk in the park, attend concerts and exhibitions, visit their friends and family, or all the above. whatever. you do what you want to do, it's your life.
just like games and demos. at demo parties, i used to see lot of party coding, and also music / gfx making. it was even usual to find people working on something that wasn't to be released at that party - or even released at all. (i did that myself, after my track was finished, i enjoyed the party mood so much that i would make another track, just for fun.) nowadays, that becomes less frequent and instead there's a lot of people playing all sort of games.
so, if you have more fun playing games, then do it. and what better place to have fun than at a party with your friends?
and this brings me to this final question: when did playing games become more fun than making demos?
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now sole comes and says "and when did boozing yourself to death and namevote for your friends become more fun than making demos?" and she's totally right. i'm gonna stop getting wasted at demoparties. you have my word.
I believe the point that Keops and I + countless others wanted to make, is that:
A "gamer" is not one who plays and enjoy games. It's one who does it exclusively.
If some people chose to use their leisure time and dedicate it completely to one single entertainment source, or even to entertainment only, then indeed it is to the detriment of creation.
What we might question is the amount of time entertainment vs creation takes in people's lives. In a way it's what I like about demos, they take an awful lot of time to create and are very short to experience.
As far as creation at demoparties go? I've seen it at breakpoint, I've seen it at stream, I've seen it at main. It does not "disappear."
Going after "gamers" has always been a bit hypocrytical, what with sceners coding games. But in general, we might as well complain about those couples who watch TV out of habit every day, wondering why they don't have time for anything.
(Signed: someone who has much more fun talking about things than playing games or coding demos)
A "gamer" is not one who plays and enjoy games. It's one who does it exclusively.
If some people chose to use their leisure time and dedicate it completely to one single entertainment source, or even to entertainment only, then indeed it is to the detriment of creation.
What we might question is the amount of time entertainment vs creation takes in people's lives. In a way it's what I like about demos, they take an awful lot of time to create and are very short to experience.
As far as creation at demoparties go? I've seen it at breakpoint, I've seen it at stream, I've seen it at main. It does not "disappear."
Going after "gamers" has always been a bit hypocrytical, what with sceners coding games. But in general, we might as well complain about those couples who watch TV out of habit every day, wondering why they don't have time for anything.
(Signed: someone who has much more fun talking about things than playing games or coding demos)
Isn't demoscene about videogame demos?
Last time I checked demoparties were for having fun, meeting people, competing, etc. I don't mind having a bud while bowling Wii Sports with friends at all. Even at demoparties. I do mind people sitting in front of their computers 24/7 playing same level of whatever-happens-to-be-most-popular-FPS at the moment. Especially at demoparties.
Even demo makers / game makers ..play games. I do get the point about going to a demo party and having people just sit there playing games, when they can do that at home.
I do like the cross over thing, where people do little demos , etc e.g. for cut sequences etc. in games. think about it, how many effects etc, do you see turn up in games from demos? =)
There is a cross over with many things, e.g. musicians / artists / coders doing things in both games and demos.
I do like the cross over thing, where people do little demos , etc e.g. for cut sequences etc. in games. think about it, how many effects etc, do you see turn up in games from demos? =)
There is a cross over with many things, e.g. musicians / artists / coders doing things in both games and demos.
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weren't we all against uncreative people playing for hours the same thing?
Yes. Bitching about the demoscene not being black and white also falls under that category.
And it's not that I just think he's stupid, I'm pretty sure of it.
I was just wondering.. if I'm developing a game at work, and test to see if my modifications work, am I a gamerlamer or not? How about during a playtest session?
In his world, you're in a train headed for a concentration camp already.
Knos has leading.
No, really, I'm a strict gamerhater myself, but Dandelion really is off-base by far.
I don't want to mix with people who *only* play games as the only thing in their life. And that's not because of the games really, just because they simply tend to be a very limited species. Like, have a look at some LAN-Party webforum. It's full of the "lol camper n00b lolz" stuff, and they are serious about that - it's just their limited mind.
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No, really, I'm a strict gamerhater myself, but Dandelion really is off-base by far.
I don't want to mix with people who *only* play games as the only thing in their life. And that's not because of the games really, just because they simply tend to be a very limited species. Like, have a look at some LAN-Party webforum. It's full of the "lol camper n00b lolz" stuff, and they are serious about that - it's just their limited mind.
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That's why I don't want such gamers at demoparties - because they simply don't add any new perspective to things.
But *creative open minded people* that also play games just to have fun are a totally normal and good thing, heck, *playing* by itself simply is essential for a human being.
And a few sceners playing WII on a demoparty because it's a cool new gadget and fun to play it does not make our world go down in flames. After they're done they'll go back to being creative and productive themselves.
That's something completely different than for example having LAN Gamers coming to Breakpoint, and complaining about getting disturbed by loud dirty sceners, and a laggy LAN or whatever those kids care about.
Sceners can be trusted enough to give them the freedom to do whatever they like a demoparty, they are clever enough not to destroy the community they love to exist in.
That's why I don't want such gamers at demoparties - because they simply don't add any new perspective to things.
But *creative open minded people* that also play games just to have fun are a totally normal and good thing, heck, *playing* by itself simply is essential for a human being.
And a few sceners playing WII on a demoparty because it's a cool new gadget and fun to play it does not make our world go down in flames. After they're done they'll go back to being creative and productive themselves.
That's something completely different than for example having LAN Gamers coming to Breakpoint, and complaining about getting disturbed by loud dirty sceners, and a laggy LAN or whatever those kids care about.
Sceners can be trusted enough to give them the freedom to do whatever they like a demoparty, they are clever enough not to destroy the community they love to exist in.
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Silkcut: You did not own a computer when the demoscene was still associated with the cracking scene. (Neither did I)
Ok, maybe you are >40..
Plus, you're so wrong on that one. Take 1988 for example, cracking and demoscene were still bound. One doesn't need to be 40 to have owned a computer at this time, it's only 19 years ago...